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Review | June 18, 2013
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It's been a big week for speaking in tongues. First, Megan Fox went public with her affinity for the spiritual gift, and now author/pastor John Piper is joining the conversation. (What do you think?)
Benjamin Spears commented…
Even as a Pentecostal, there is a tendency not to talk about tongues. Like Paul explains in 1 Corinthians, it can definitely be a distraction that actually has the potential to scare people off. That said, God often moves in ways that leaves us squirming a bit. Perhaps the goal of our being in relationship with Christ isn't our comfort after all?
Why does every discussion of speaking in tongues have to do with a prescription of what it is not? Look at John Piper here pontificating on what one ought not to do in church if filled with the Holy Spirit! What a kill joy! Perhaps he ought to also talk about the joy, the healing and hope that speaking in tongues could bring and has brought to a body of believers. As for Megan Fox, if she has been filled with the Spirit, who are we to question that anointing?
Jacob Titus replied to ForeBarcaJeepLB's comment…
Matthew wrote that we will know believers by their fruit. I am not going to say for certain that Megan Fox isn't saved, but I will say that her actions do not show evidence of salvation.
Huw Thomas replied to Jacob Titus's comment…
There is nothing more painful than to listen to a carnal man talking about spirituals.
Jason replied to Huw Thomas's comment…
Speaking in tongues doesn't indicate salvation, it indicates one has received the Holy Spirit.
Chris Mills replied to Jason's comment…
Pontificating you say... Granted it's been a week since I watched the video, but as I recall it there is nothing he says which is not explicitly 'pontificated' by the Apostle Paul in the New Testament...
Chris Johnson replied to Chris Mills's comment…
Almost Jason, When you receive salvation, you receive the holy spirit living inside of you. Tongues indicates that you are BAPTIZED in the Holy Spirit. Its a separate thing. You can be a christian (with the holy spirit living in you) without recieving the baptism of the Holy spirit. Tongues is an evidence of that baptism, NOT salvation or that the spirit lives inside of you per say.
In any case when one is Baptized in the Holy Spirit it, their life is definitely transformed through the experience. A lot of people are saved and baptized at the same time, thats what seems to be happening to Megan, since she seems to not be fully bought on the whole God and Christian thing, but if she opens herself up to it in faith, i could definitely see that happening, according to her own testimony of course
I agree that gifts of the spirit, especially tongues, can easily be criticized, overlooked, or scorned. I also believe that criticisms can sometimes be warranted. Growing up in a Pentecostal church, there was enormous emphasis on speaking in tongues, as Piper credits, in some denominations it is seen as evidence of salvation, which comes from the citing of Acts 2:38. But for me, as I grew older and more open-minded (which had always been a bad thing according to what I was taught, and I now believe is a good thing) my views and understanding towards Christianity changed. I realized that I had little awareness that both the Old and the New Testament pointed to Jesus and his amazing, unending grace as my salvation, not the spiritual gift of speaking in tongues. I finally developed an understanding of Christ that was beautiful, and most amazingly, personal. And now, while I don't discredit spiritual gifts and their importance in the church, I feel so incredibly blessed and thankful to understand my faith as a relationship that is rooted in and founded on Christ's love, instead of a dogmatic religious system.
Dana Krout replied to S.'s comment…
I appreciate the spirit of your comments; I experienced tongues, I believe, as a manifestation, from God, that He was filling me with His Spirit. this was given only 3 times, as I shared with friends and family, in the form of 'falling upon me sovereignly'. I came to believe, by faith, that any further tongues in my life can be described as a prayer language, which Paul describes as edifying to oneself. (1Cor. 14) Grace to all who seek God and His gifts, given severally as He wills.
Mike Page replied to Dana Krout's comment…
Well said, S. That about summarizes the whole issue for anyone, anywhere.
Neil Ambando commented…
Mr. Piper has responded from a perspective that does not include God. He has assumed that Tongues are only for the believer and for the unbeliever. However, If someone gives you a gift and you don't use it, I think it is quite an insult. God gives us the gift for a reason and for us to minimize its importance base on something we think Paul is saying to the church would be a second folly. My personal story is that I have made speaking in tongues a discipline of faith. I have worked at praying in the Spirit for 10 minutes a day for 5+ years now and the results are phenomenal. The Holy Spirit is praying through you...who knows better what you need than He. I call it "perfect prayer" because it is the only way you can be sure you are getting God's perfect will in your life. I have seen over and over again God's love expressed to me in many ways that go beyond my thoughts or even my imagination...blessing unexpected and unmerited. Try it....it really does work!!!!
Chris Mills replied to Neil Ambando's comment…
How does his perspective not include God? Are you saying that you're God and can therefore give us His perspective? He pretty much follows all of the major passages of the New Testament on the topic. All you have to offer is that you feel good rattling off 10 minutes gibberish everyday.
Mike Page replied to Chris Mills's comment…
Can you "unpack" what you mean by a "perspective that does not include God" Neil Ambando? I disagree with Chris Mills that it would be gibberish, but I would like to see what you say about the gift being for unbelievers.
It's very frustrating how people confuse the gift of tongues (explained in Corinthians along with the other spiritual gifts) with tongues that occur as the sign a believer has received the Holy Spirit (explained in Acts as part of the process of conversion to Christianity). All who receive the Holy Spirit speak in tongues, but only a few receive the gift of tongues (meant for interpretation) as described in Corinthians. Also, many who receive the Holy Spirit can pray in the Spirit (in tongues) as a means to accomplish things in the spiritual realm. Paul was teaching this type of prayer should be done privately as it is meaningless and confusing to those who don't understand its purpose.
Your use of the word 'explained' is a bit liberal. It so happened that some of the people who received salvation in the book of Acts also began to make utterances in an unknown tongue. It does not 'explain' that the Holy Spirit necessarily makes a person speak in tongues. You're just drawing conclusions from a couple of instances that don't actually support the conclusion. The Bible simply does not say what you are saying.
I think you have split the definitions incorrectly. You receive the gift of tongues which is speaking in a different language. The gift of INTERPRETATION is used to translate the tongue so it can be understood. That is why Paul says if you dont have an interpreter, dont speak in tongues since no one will know what you are saying.
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